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DISCIPLINARY VOTE: RATIF: Re: DISCIPLINARY VOTE: RATIF

Mon, 18 Mar 2024 22:58:22 +0000

Preferred Disciplinary Action:	Ban, 1 month
Reasoning:	Echoing Jejasa

DISCIPLINARY VOTE: RATIF: Re: DISCIPLINARY VOTE: RATIF

Mon, 18 Mar 2024 22:02:58 +0000

Preferred Disciplinary Action:

Ban (anything from 1 week to 1 month)

Reasoning: While I feel sympathy for Ratif due to the hostile and unprompted nature of Arma's initial message, his behaviour is serious enough to warrant more than a warning. By recklessly sending a slur as response, Rat ended up using the r-word towards an autistic person in a hostile manner. Although Ratif is himself autistic, this was regardless inappropriate.

In the quarrel that followed, Ratif continued acting immature by sending waves of insults to Arma. This is an equal reason for the disc for me. Arma was indeed the one to begin the argument, but the blame for it cannot be placed solely on either side, as it lasted for 10 messages, any one of which could've been the last had the other party so wanted. When Arma continued messaging Ratif, we escalated their disc from a year to a perma. It seems unjust Ratif doing essentially the same thing is ignored, especially when he used a slur and sent equally hostile messages in response to Arma.

To the argument that this was off-site, I point out that we already disced ArmaDoggo heavily for this quarrel, and ArmaDoggo messaged Ratif specifically about Ratif's actions on our site.

The argument that banning Ratif won't have an impact due to Ratif having left the site is flawed. This vote is about whether Ratif deserves to be disced for this case. In general, an user's current level of involvement (which may change rapidly) shouldn't impact disc votes. If taken to the extreme, people could avoid bans by leaving before the ban and then coming back when staff decides to not enact it.

DISCIPLINARY VOTE: RATIF: Plant's vote

Mon, 18 Mar 2024 21:40:30 +0000

Preferred Disciplinary Action:	Ban (1 month)
Additional Notes:	This vote was cast by Plant on the discord. I am posting it here on behalf of him for logging purposes.

DISCIPLINARY VOTE: RATIF: Re: DISCIPLINARY VOTE: RATIF

Mon, 18 Mar 2024 14:30:29 +0000

Preferred Disciplinary Action:	Warning.
Reasoning:	While the exchange was about the site, the off-site nature of the Wikidot PMs is enough to make me think that we'd be overreaching with anything harsher. Additionally, the initial message from ArmaDoggo was unprompted and personal, which at least, even if it went too far, explains the negative reaction.

DISCIPLINARY VOTE: RATIF: Re: DISCIPLINARY VOTE: RATIF

Mon, 18 Mar 2024 01:05:48 +0000

Preferred Disciplinary Action:	At least a warning.
Reasoning:	Let's be honest, how is banning him going to punish him? He posted for canonicon, he's leaving the community anyway. The best we can do is warn him to not act like that.

DISCIPLINARY VOTE: RATIF: Re: DISCIPLINARY VOTE: RATIF

Sun, 17 Mar 2024 22:18:59 +0000

Preferred Disciplinary Action:	Ban (duration), Kick, Mute, etc.
Reasoning:	Abstain
Additional Notes:	I just want to make it clear that I am aware of this vote, but I'm abstaining because I don't want my prior experiences with Rat to make me either harsher or lighter on him than appropriate.

DISCIPLINARY VOTE: RATIF: Re: DISCIPLINARY VOTE: RATIF

Sun, 17 Mar 2024 22:15:29 +0000

Preferred Disciplinary Action:	Warning.
Reasoning:	I think warn is enough (unless this behavior continues). For now I'll believe in Ratif's ability to avoid these cases in the future

DISCIPLINARY VOTE: RATIF: Re: DISCIPLINARY VOTE: RATIF

Sun, 17 Mar 2024 10:04:48 +0000

Preferred Disciplinary Action:	Warning.
Reasoning:	Ratif is no longer staff nor really involved with TS. Yes, they used a slur but we've seen them use it in LA and we never took action before, seems silly to bring that in now. I will agree that they took it too far, hence the warning and telling him to desist the behavior.

DISCIPLINARY VOTE: RATIF: DISCIPLINARY VOTE: RATIF

Sun, 17 Mar 2024 00:03:13 +0000

This vote is happening so we can properly decide on r a t i f's disc length, if any. I trust that everyone voting has read the relevant thread on the interaction between him and ArmaDoggo, so we can keep it short.

||**Preferred Disciplinary Action:**|| Ban (duration), Kick, Mute, etc.|| ||**Reasoning:**|| Put it here. || ||**Additional Notes:**|| Here. ||

The vote will a total of two days or until all staff members have voted. Additional time can be granted if need be.

DISCIPLINARY VOTE: VAL: Re: DISCIPLINARY VOTE: VAL

Fri, 17 Nov 2023 04:41:58 +0000

Preferred Disciplinary Action:	Ban (Perma, appealable after a year.)
Reasoning:	Everything that's been said, manipulation ect. Escalation from existing ban.
Additional Notes:	Read BlueSignet's additional notes, I absolutely agree with her.

DISCIPLINARY VOTE: VAL: Re: DISCIPLINARY VOTE: VAL

Fri, 17 Nov 2023 03:32:58 +0000

Preferred Disciplinary Action:	Permaban
Reasoning:	Asking for page ownership as a way for Nate to show his remorse parses to me as opportunistic poaching. With Val’s proximity to Mickey’s attempt at poaching the same page, I’m mostly certain that Val did it on purpose. Val has already been disc’d for misbehavior and I think it’s clear that no lesson was learned from it.
Additional Notes:	Appeal available after minimum of one year, unless Val is trying to appeal to argue that the manipulative behavior was misconstrued or misreported.

DISCIPLINARY VOTE: VAL: Re: DISCIPLINARY VOTE: VAL

Fri, 17 Nov 2023 03:32:11 +0000

Preferred Disciplinary Action:	Ban (permanent with appeal)
Reasoning:	Everyone else has hit the nail on the head here. Manipulation, sensitive info, escalation, the works.
Additional Notes:	none.

DISCIPLINARY VOTE: VAL: Re: DISCIPLINARY VOTE: VAL

Thu, 16 Nov 2023 18:10:31 +0000

Preferred Disciplinary Action:	Perma (with appeal after 1 year)
Reasoning:	Manipulative behavior attempting to gain page permissions. Guilttripping using extremely personal and sensitive information. Escalation of disc because of behavior.
Additional Notes:	Val has also expressed that they're done with the site for good. I wish them the best. But if they want to come back, they'll have to go through staff to show how they've changed and gotten better.

DISCIPLINARY VOTE: VAL: Re: DISCIPLINARY VOTE: VAL

Thu, 16 Nov 2023 17:35:29 +0000

Abstaining, I'm too caught up in all this xd

DISCIPLINARY VOTE: VAL: Re: DISCIPLINARY VOTE: VAL

Thu, 16 Nov 2023 14:55:03 +0000

Gonna note that I agree with the only appealable after a year part. Their actions are clear as day.

DISCIPLINARY VOTE: VAL: Re: DISCIPLINARY VOTE: VAL

Thu, 16 Nov 2023 14:53:00 +0000

Preferred Disciplinary Action:	Permanent Ban (Appealable only after a year)
Reasoning:	Continued immaturity, inability to self-regulate, escalation from previous ban, as well as everything r a t i f has said.
Additional Notes:	None.

DISCIPLINARY VOTE: VAL: Re: DISCIPLINARY VOTE: VAL

Wed, 15 Nov 2023 20:49:58 +0000

Preferred Disciplinary Action:	Permanent Ban (Appealable)
Reasoning:	Val has shown their intentions clear as day and has been very hands-on with the site's affairs even during a month-long ban. Rule 0 violations are everywhere in a myriad of Val's interactions, and their attitude towards rewrites and oage perms in general is simply unhealthy. There's just too much to unpack with certain circumstances here; with everything in mind, a perma is what's best Imo.
Additional Notes:	No.

DISCIPLINARY VOTE: VAL: DISCIPLINARY VOTE: VAL

Wed, 15 Nov 2023 18:42:07 +0000

This will begin the vote on TheGameOwl/Val's disciplinary action. All the supplementary materials for this case and previous cases of disciplinary actions are in the discussion thread(the link).

DO NOT VOTE IF YOU HAVE NOT READ THIS.

||**Preferred Disciplinary Action:**|| Ban (duration), Kick, Mute, etc.|| ||**Reasoning:**|| Put it here. || ||**Additional Notes:**|| Here. ||

The vote will last 3 days. If more time is needed, the length will be extended.

DEMOTION VOTE: NIKUCHAN: Re: DEMOTION VOTE: NIKUCHAN

Wed, 15 Nov 2023 18:13:40 +0000

Demotion:	Yes
Reasoning:	As shown from their behavior in TS and their words in the appeal, its clear that recently Niku has been becoming more and more affected by the server(s). I don't think its a good idea for them to remain on staff right now, considering how its harming their mental health first and foremost.
Additional Notes:	None.

DEMOTION VOTE: NIKUCHAN: Re: DEMOTION VOTE: NIKUCHAN

Wed, 15 Nov 2023 10:50:58 +0000

Demotion:	Yes
Reasoning:	Not only recent happening but also those that have happened over the course of the past year have revealed that Niku still isn't quite mature enough to handle a staff position. The work they've put in thus far as a helper has been phenomenal, but their behaviour as a supposed role model member of the community is lacking. Not only is their maturity not quite there, but I simply think that they're a little too emotional to be cut out for staff to begin with. Taking into account their recent staff application as well as their appeal, it also doesn't appear that they're very self-aware. They could use some time to reflect on if they're ready to take on the responsibility of being staff or not, as just being a helper has admittedly caused a great deal of stress for Niku.
Additional Notes:	Nada.