Entity 1 Discussion

Entity 1 Discussion

r a t i f 30 Aug 2023 10:47

So, since the community has had a fair share of time to discuss and think about what we're doing with entity 1, I think us staff should have some time too. Essentially, if you aren't caught up, the general consensus is that people would like to open up the entity 1 slot, but what we'll actually put in the slot is the tricky part. I'll list some of the ideas for what we'd do from the comfeed thread in TS, and I'll start a vote once staff has properly discussed it to make sure we've considered all of our options.

Proposed ideas:

• Allowing the slot to fill on its own; opening it as a "first come first serve" kinda thing, essentially.
• Holding a second entity1con.
• Allowing one of the pages from the old entity1con to fill the slot.
• Having it be a collab somewhat similar to object 1 (?).

Discuss away! Voting will open once at least like a dozen staff have commented.

Re: Entity 1 Discussion

Poliacci 30 Aug 2023 10:58

This situation is a weird mix of "entity 1 being super important in the minds of people for the fact that it has a fancy number" and "why the hell there is no entity 1 slot, we are not scp", which is logical as well, since, at least right now, entity 1 is not only not even a thing, it has 0 potential to be secret/important, since this entity list is simply a catalogue of all the entities we've got in the backrooms.
If we simply open the entity 1 slot — no one will ever be satisfied with the result, since it will just turn into a posting speedrun.
Making contest with it — sounds more fair, but then again can repeat the same thing that happened to enigmatics in terms of "it is like an entity but *cooler*" ===> I have no real answer/opinion here, I like neither of options that we have at the moment, I'll add extra ideas when I have any

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Re: Entity 1 Discussion

Pedder 30 Aug 2023 10:59

I don't know much about the old Entity 1 contest but heard it wasn't very successful. Personally, I don't really think holding it once again would be too helpful.

I would be fine with making it first come, first serve. However, I would more support, like we make it a hub page and have people to submit proposals to it (with no time limit, obviously). Sounds SCP-ish, but I gather since we already have Level 0 (and 1), Object 1 and Phenomenon 1 settled, people would perhaps love to have at least a seemingly important slot choice to satisfy their interest in writing something special for the site, especially if we finally decide to discard the enigmatic entities, this would look like a good substitute.

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when stars smile at the moon / wonder how it looks in your eyes
just dialing your number / failed to press the last two - PRAYING IN MY HEART:
when the moon reaches stars / if you hold me tight
feel your heart beat so close - WOULD THIS LAST LONG?…

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Re: Entity 1 Discussion

r a t i f 30 Aug 2023 11:06

The old entity1con was a very long time ago, so it would definitely have a chance to turn out differently nowadays, but I see your point.

Re: Entity 1 Discussion

(account deleted) 30 Aug 2023 10:59

My proposal is and always has been to rip off the band-aid and just open the slot for anyone to put a page on. There is no need for so much bureaucracy or pomp and circumstance around a simple number. That after all is the very reason we are here having this discussion. We already had an Entity1con, which led to the creation of the 001 Proposals enigmatic entities category, which needlessly restricted the entity 1 slot until now. I could easily foresee a repeat of history where staff creates an obviously controversial entity 1 contest but holds back at the end and decides to make all the entity 1 proposals into enigmatics, making it further unlikely for the slot to be filled.

Object 1, level 0-1 and phenomenon 1 are all perfectly uncontested and unquestioned slots. Entity 1 shouldn’t be treated any differently from any other entity slot. People should have the freedom to fill it with whatever page they write at any time. Readers will automatically have the highest standards for this slot, so the vote system will take care of things itself if whatever page is added isn’t of acceptable quality.

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Re: Entity 1 Discussion (My opinion about this)

Nikuchan 30 Aug 2023 11:01

I believe we should let it be a contest, this would definitely track a lot of attention from a lot of users, snd it would be a great way to put creativity into use. People would put a lot of effort into it too, because it is the first slot after all.

I also agree with the idea of a collab, though you may need to elaborate on how it'll go because I wasn't present for the object 1 collab so I don't know how it went down.

That's all I got to say about this, for now.

Re: Entity 1 Discussion (My opinion about this)

r a t i f 30 Aug 2023 11:08

Object 1 was essentially a rewrite put in staff hands where they collaborated on it.

Re: Entity 1 Discussion

makaraig 30 Aug 2023 11:26

Personally I think the slot should be opened, were probably gonna get hundreds of "just like scp" comparisons and its kinda useless to have it be special per se considering that enigmatic entities exist that essentially was derived from entity 1's former importance. Though in terms of choosing from the suggested choices, I do like the collaboration, though that will need a bit of managing

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Re: Entity 1 Discussion

scutoid studios 30 Aug 2023 11:40

the proposals for entity 1 were also going to be a contest for the real entity 1, to be fair. which is what scp was initially trying to do as well.

but i don't think worrying about scp comparisons is worthwhile

• scp is good i like scp
• those comparisons tend to be very ignorant

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Re: Entity 1 Discussion

(account deleted) 30 Aug 2023 11:51

I think we should give as little basis as possible for such comparisons

Re: Entity 1 Discussion

BlueSignet 30 Aug 2023 15:48

People are going to compare us to SCP because they're literally the only other site like us out there. There's not much we can do to stop the comparisons. I think people on this site get too worried about being "too SCP-like" and willfully ignore good ideas that they've implemented for fear of being accused of "ripping off SCP."

They've been around longer than us. We should take a look at what they've done, what's failed for them, and implement what works the best for ourselves. It's not like they have a stranglehold on "Internet database of creepy nouns."

Re: Entity 1 Discussion

scutoid studios 30 Aug 2023 11:27

let people fill it themselves
it's not a matter staff should have a hand in in my opinion
they've shown they can manage their own 1 slots because phenomenon 1 was deleted multiple times before we got one we liked well enough
this is even more important than that. just let them fill it

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Re: Entity 1 Discussion

BlueSignet 30 Aug 2023 15:49

That's just a contest with extra steps and extra work for staff. The most popular one is going to picked anyway, so why go through the trouble of deleting who knows how many articles and logging them on Oversight?

Re: Entity 1 Discussion

BlueSignet 30 Aug 2023 15:42

I'm more inclined to do a contest.

1. It gives everyone an equal shot at the slot (which will probably be coveted no matter what we do.)
2. People have been clamoring for a contest. Look at the comfeed in Discord and you'll see how many contest ideas people are submitting.
3. We can make it clear that any entries not picked would be moved to a slot of the author's preference or assigned a random slot chosen by staff.

If we don't do a contest, humans should be slotted into the first spot. I doubt most site members would object to that, and it would make sense in a database that people would mark themselves as the first entities there.

Re: Entity 1 Discussion

r a t i f 30 Aug 2023 22:45

I agree with everything except for the humans part. The humans page sucks and makes no sense lol.